alpengeist zero car, why?

Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:18 AM

why is alpengeist the onlyB&M inverted to have a zero car?

picture here: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery277.htm?Picture=2

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:23 AM

Is the "zero car" that little thing in the front?

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:24 AM

yeah, the thing on the front without any car on it. no other B&M inverted has it

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:25 AM
Perhaps it was designed to be a 9-car train and the park did away with it. Sorry... it's all I could think of!
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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:56 AM
batman at great adventure has one, its not as big as that one but i do belive it has one. i think all B&M coatsers (except floorless) has a zero car.
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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:02 AM

Actually, every invert with the exception of Aplengeist has seats mounted to the zero cars. These are a few of them.

B:TR- Great Adventure http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery32.htm?Picture=1

B:TR- Great America http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery5.htm?Picture=4

B:TR- Magic Mountain http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery24.htm?Picture=2

B:TR- Over Georgia http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery421.htm?Picture=1

B:TR- Over Texas http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery552.htm?Picture=3

B:TR- Saint Louis http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery43.htm?Picture=2

Dueling Dragons- IOA http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery558.htm?Picture=22

Great Bear- Hershey http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery468.htm?Picture=3

Great White- SWTexas http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery278.htm?Picture=2

Katun- Mirabilandia http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery764.htm?Picture=13

Montu- BGT http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery87.htm?Picture=2

Nemesis- AT http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery776.htm?Picture=1

Orochi- Expoland http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1186.htm?Picture=4

Raptor- CP http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1.htm?Picture=7

Talon-Dorney http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery735.htm?Picture=9

Topgun- PGA http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery80.htm?Picture=5

Topgun- Carowinds http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery527.htm?Picture=3

I think John Peck is right. I think that they originally wanted it to be 9 cars so the trains would be heavier and maneuver the course that is taller than most inverts like normal. But after building and testing, the seats were removed for the 8 row trains we see today. That would be a good question to ask Walter and Claude

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:09 AM
The reason is: because.
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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:21 AM

NO AlpenGeist is the only B& M inverted to use Polyurenthane wheels instead of nylon and its' to reduce the load of the front car. AlpenGeist wear is the roar?

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:13 PM
I like the zero car. I think it makes the train look complete.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:18 PM
The inverts were not meant to be 9 cars. If I remember correctly, the zero car was to reduce the speed, either that or reduce the load on car one. At least that is what I believe Claude said last year at the Nitro press event.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:20 PM
I thought it was needed to help the train maneuver through the larger than normal elements. The zero car serves a very useful purpose...I'll see if I can find the thread about it...

Here it is...

http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=3663

I'm pretty sure all those question marks at the end are lost data...

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*** This post was edited by CPgenius on 6/4/2002. ***

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:27 PM
Chris godsey, I dont believe that The other rides have seats on the zero cars, I think its just that they dont have zero cars and that the front row is the first car.

*** This post was edited by B&M ROCKS on 6/4/2002. ***

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:28 PM
Isn't the zero car used as a stabilizer on all of their coasters? That's what I heard.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:32 PM
i thought its there for aerodynamics. thats a high speed invert, maybe it helps the wind resistance.
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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 1:15 PM

CPgenius said:

http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=3663



There you go.. CoasterGod explains it well. The zero car is for stability.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 5:36 PM
If I'm not mistaken only one of Alpengiest's three trains is set up without any seats attached to the zero car.
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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 5:48 PM
Would this explain the fairly rough ride I experienced on Medusa (west) yesterday? It felt like I was riding Viper at SFMM. After front I rode back and it was pretty smooth. Why was it rough in front? It wasn't like that on Mantis or Top Gun (PGA) front seats.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 7:30 PM

CoasterCrazyOne, It may have been rough because
A. That car's wheels were old and worn or
B. That train's wheels were old and worn, and you were on a different train.

So, replaced wheels probably would've given you a smooth ride, but it may not be the reason, but the most likely one.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 8:14 PM
Wow. I have noticed that before. That is the only invert, as someone mentioned, that is the only one that has the zero car. I am agreeing with the high speed idea....

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 9:50 PM
It was B&Ms first inverter, and they didn't know if nine regular cars would work.
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