AIR: A different type of flight

Think of a corkscrew in the flying position.
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Don't look down-Oblivion

LoL CP is way more than 100 miles north of IOA!

*books a flight to Alton Towers ;)*

Alan Jacyszyn
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Jeff said: I sure hope Continental restores those non-stops to London from Cleveland soon.

...or you could drive from the mistake-on-the-lake down to Pittsburgh and fly direct on USAirways ;)

(Eventually I had to defend those Shi...er... Pittsburgh comments!)

Back to the topic at hand (which last time I checked wasn't rumours about where the first US version will appear)  Does anyone know how the passengers will be positioned on the lift hill?  Will it be prone the whole way up, or will you hang like an invert before being moved in to a flying position?
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"Reality" is the only word in the language which should always be used in quotes. *** This post was edited by kpjb on 10/18/2001. ***

That "Rail Junkie" guy wrote: A few hundred miles, eh? That could mean SFoG, Carowinds, Wild Adventures, and to a greater extent anything in VA, OH or PA.

Um, the first one. ;)
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Nitro, Legend, and IOA. Is there anything better?

That look like Riddlers Revenge a little to me...only becasue of the colors that is. Thas going to be the best flying coaster in the world when it i done! I am going to consider it a terrain coaster because they used great
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I wouldn't worry about CP getting one in 2002... now.. 2003.. who knows.. ;)

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kpjb:  sorry for putting this discussion on a tangent with my earlier post.  I in no way meant to diminish what AT is doing with B&M and AIR and it looks like a winner.

Sorry I ment 2004, NOT 2002. AT has the exlusive rights to the B & M concept till 2004, if any park wants to built one before 2004 they probably have to pay a BIG bag of money, but it IS possible

I remember talking about that in the past.  It would seem kind of ridiculous to me for AT to have worldwide rights as opposed to European.  Are we sure that's the case?
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I've never understood the purpose of "exclusive rights" for AT for Oblivion.  What good did it accomplish? 

Even if AT wanted to market Oblivion as "the only vertical drop coaster in the world" for three years who other then enthusiasts really cares?  I'd be willing to bet the percentage of AT's market that even knows G5 [the second vertical drop coaster] even exists is VERY small.  And holding off other parks from building a vertical drop coaster certainly didn't build any excitement for the design once it actually became available as only one has been built. 

I have never seen one bit of proof that B&M has agreed to an exclusivity contract for AIR.  On the contrary I have heard from fairly reliable sources that such is NOT the case.  Now, perhaps an exclusivity contract was signed so that no other park within AT's market would get one...that I would believe as contracts like that are quite common.  But IMHO insisting that AT has exclulsive rights to AIR is just wishful thinking from certain enthusists in that area who want bragging rights.

And frankly I think one thing has been overlooked:  many were quite excited about Oblivion's concept but from all reports the coaster leaves a lot to be desired and in reality is a one-trick pony.  Just because AIR looks great and is from B&M does not guarentee its going to be a hit.  If this doesn't prove to be a winner AT might end up with one of the only Flyers for quite some time.

Just my .02 cents.

But unlike Oblivion, AIR is not a one-trick pony. I think AIR will be a winner and other parks will want one. I doubt air will suffer the same fate as Oblivion.

I've never been sold on the exclusivity thing either, at least not for that length of time. I've heard reliably that Paramount paid for some of the R&D regarding Stealth, so that one I would believe (glad they let that one go... now it's Six Flags' problem). But for B&M to turn off potential business for three years? I don't think so. That doesn't make sense to me at all.

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To me, AIR looks like it will have 3 big drops and a corkscrew, and not be much more than that.  Maybe 4-6 exciting bits if you include the other flips.  In my opinion, Nemesis has about 6 highlights too: first drop, corkscrew, zero G roll, large drop, vertical loop, corkscrew.
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Vekoma and PGA touted Stealth with the promise that riders would "be in the flying position more than not" but such is not the case.  When Vekoma redesigned the Dlying Dutchman for SF they did change that ratio with the addition of the helix and heartlines. While I know the majority of AIR is ridden under the track I was surprised that there is a secion of track where riders are NOT in a flying position [and I don't mean the inversions].  I really was hoping it would all be in the flying position. 

I think you will find that Alton Towers does have exclusive rights to B&M's prototype flying coaster. I also can't wait to see the look on peoples faces when they see the restraints on the trains or lack of them LOL !!!

We may not be able to build em like you do in the US but when we get it right we build worldbeaters ie Nemesis which is now running so fast that people are greying out in the back seats. Oblivion may be a "one trick pony" but then so is Superman the Escape or any of the Intamin launched inverted shuttles like V2. Besides it is a very intense "one trick pony" , serious g's, major floaty airtime as you fall and one of the best drops on any coaster on this planet. You should try it in the dark when the tracks are wet and the lights in the tunnel are in ... it's a blast !!

 

Tony

RC teddy:  I agree with you that there are many other "one trick ponies" other than Oblivion and a one trick pony does not equal boredom.  I freely admit that what I know of Oblivion is from the reports of others - I have not ridden it myself and cannot give a personal opinion of it.  But I'll get there eventually and I'll take your night ride recommendation seriously.

Air shocker:  Well I was walking down Forbidden Valley yesterday.... and guess what? The final inversion of Air was complete! But, it was not a corkscrew, like on the model of the ride.... it was an inline twist!

 

Check out a picture of the twist at http://www.sw5live.com

No probs, I much prefer inlines!
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