Accdents not hyped up

Monday, April 29, 2002 2:27 PM

Apparently Son of Beast really can break necks (2 in 2001), Raptor proved to be to intense for one person (2001) , and Raging Wolf Bobs caused one death (2001).

Very interesting:

http://www.saferparks.org/database/AR_by_state.asp

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Monday, April 29, 2002 2:48 PM
Thus the warnings stating that some persons should not ride.
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Monday, April 29, 2002 2:53 PM
It is true that on every ride it says if you have "so-and-so" condision dont ride.

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Monday, April 29, 2002 2:55 PM

All i get is a message that says no data available for state.

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Monday, April 29, 2002 3:05 PM
I know that, but I am just wondering, how do some rides like Goliath cause a rider with a preexisting condition death make the news and some rides with the same conditions don't even make the local news?

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Monday, April 29, 2002 3:16 PM

Another website full of gobbledygook. Seems like they just want to scare people into believing that more government regulation will make them safe, that these "evil" amusement parks and operators don't really care about the safety of their guests.

Do you think that Disney, Magic Mountain, and the other parks in the states that don't have (or didn't have) regulations would have become the popular parks that they are if they had accidents all the time?

If Ohio didn't have the Dept. of Ag. overseeing the rides at CP or PKI, do you think that those parks would let the maintenance slip and jeopardize the safety of the guests? Maybe I'm preaching to the choir...

If you're afraid of getting seriously hurt on a ride, then don;t stand out in a thunderstorm, 'cuz you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning....

*phew* Sorry about that...I'll get off of my soapbox now.

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Monday, April 29, 2002 4:24 PM

Several notes here:

The Goliath aneurysm death got lots of publicity for three reasons. One, it was in California which seems to be a place where they really like to jump on such things. Two, there were and are lawyers in California who are involved in head trauma suits against amusement parks so they are promoting the publicity. (ie. Indiana Jones) Three, it was an aneurysm which most people don't understand is a pre-existing condition that would probably have resulted in death soon anyway.

Heart attacks on rides don't make big news since people understand them. You take a lot of sedentary people and march them around in the hot August sun, and you will have a bunch of heart attacks, not to mention heat exhaustion cases. This is a fact of life for parks and happens not only to riders, but also to park guests who come just to watch their children or grand children ride.

Note that this database is not just a ride injury database. It seems to be a database for all park injuries and illnesses. It includes people falling the rails in queues and even a heart attack which occurred in the queue for a kiddie ride.

While in general I think that state regulation is probably not a bad idea, it is surely not a cure all. The one park where I will not ride is in a state that has state inspection.

*** This post was edited by Jim Fisher on 4/29/2002. ***

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Monday, April 29, 2002 4:37 PM

To view the "accidents" on that site, you must type in the state and hit submit. Here are some example of various "accidents" found on the site.


*Unknown guest stretched his legs, hitting woman's toes with the heel of his shoe. (Toenail became detached from nail bed, went to ER).

*Guest tripped over bumper car and broke her wrist.

*Guest slipped on stairs to train. She tried to reach for the grab bar, but fell backward. (Laceration to head.)

*Guest felt sick after riding.

*Guest was playing on queue rails waiting to ride. He fell, injuring his head.


We need government regulation on stupid people not rides!


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Monday, April 29, 2002 7:06 PM

These are from SFGAm's Shockwave.

"Child complained of neck and shoulder pain after getting off ride."

"Patron hit head while riding Shockwave."

Isn't that what all riders exerience ;)

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Monday, April 29, 2002 8:11 PM

HAHAHAHAHA! I'm sorry guys, this stuff is just too funny! LOL.

From Knott's Berry Farm's Ghostrider:

"Guest was riding in one of the rear cars. Somewhere after 1st drop, something struck her in the forehead. She said it seemed like a rock, but wasn't sure".

In other news:

"Guest and girlfriend were sitting in car after the ride had ended. His lap bar released, but hers didn't. Guest tried to release her lap bar using his finger. At same time, operator released the lap bar, causing a 2-inch laceration".

I wish I hadn't clicked on the link, I have a pretty sick sense of humor and this is just too much! LOL.

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Monday, April 29, 2002 9:41 PM
"Guest hit her cheek on sister's metal hair band during ride." Mulholland Madness

"An animated figure on the ride caught on fire. All passengers were evacuated. No guest injuries were reported." Timber Mtn Log Ride

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:37 AM

Not every death/accident is going to make the news. I have been personally aware of accidents at more than one park that did not make the news. The park isn't going to call the tv stations. It really comes down to some witness, probably a park guest or employee, to call the television stations.

Deaths at WDW are not that uncommon. Think about it. There are probably 200,000 or more people on property on a given day. Odds are somebody is going to be in an accident, have a heart attack, etc. But really, how often do you hear about them on the news?

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:44 AM

Why would accidents be hyped up? The only way the news is going to find about it in time is if they just happen to be travelling by the park and see all the fire trucks and police cars. Of course the park could notify the news but why? Then people are scared to ride your nice new 10 million dollar piece of a equipment and it sits there with half the riders it used to have.

The news just can't cover the stories unless they know when and where it is going to happen, so it isn't going to be hyped up.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:24 AM
Local news generally monitors police and ambulance frequencies and is unlikely to miss a serious injury or death. If someone has a heart attack and dies at a park or falls and hits their head on a curb and dies at a park it just isn't considered newsworthy. If a roller coaster gets stuck on a lift with no injuries it may get big coverage if it is a slow news day.

*** This post was edited by Jim Fisher on 4/30/2002. ***

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:00 AM

Here's a good one from MIA...


She was not seated properly and the coaster was not stopped at the end of the ride-as it entered curves after exiting the station she was thrown from the car due to being seated backwards taking picture. Lacerations, bruise(s) and broken bone(s), severe cuts on her right arm and right ear and her chest was bruised and discolored-likely fractured ribs.


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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:33 AM
Child stuck his hand under the wheel on the Fire Engine car he was riding in. Laceration to left thumb.


Where I come from this is stupidity. Anyone doing that deserves it. Also this website is HORRIBLE 85% of the junk on there is the RIDERS fault.
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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:42 AM

The total shown in this database covers all types of injuries and illness which occurs in parks. It at least has the value that it gives you some idea of what parks must be prepared to deal with on any given day.

Many of the incidents described are illness not accidents. Many of the accidents have nothing to do with rides.

General ruled of thumb. 70% of minor injuries on rides are caused by rider misconduct. There is also another major catagory of minor injuries that are sort of ride related. That is many people are injured while getting on and off rides. Only about 25% or so of fatal injuries on rides are caused by rider misconduct.. Fatalities are more often caused by mechanical failure or operator error.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:23 AM
I hardly think the database is HORRIBLE just because they are trying to be complete. I would rather see all of the data and draw my own conclusions about who was at fault.It’s much better to read an accident report that just reports the facts instead of listening to some over dramatic newscaster. That way if someone says to you, ‘I heard someone died on Raptor.’ You respond by saying ‘Yes someone did die after riding, but it was a hot day, the person was older, and had a heart attack. The ride didn’t directly cause the death’. Like the title of this thread says, it’s refreshing to see non-hyped reports.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:30 AM

Jim Fisher said:

It includes people falling the rails in queues and even a heart attack which occurred in the queue for a kiddie ride.



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