a 2 in 1 coaster?

Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:29 PM

not too long ago, there was a post about CP's coasters in which alot of people were saying that the stand-up trains on mantis should be changed to floorless trains.

while i was at the park(27th and 28th of june)me and my friend were saying that there should be a floorless train on there, but at the same time, keep a stand-up. that way, you could pick which type.

anyway, does anyone else here thing it would be cool if a park asked B&M(or another company)to add dual stations and make it so that guests could choose the floorless or stand-up side(or any arrangment)? i would like the idea, and hope that sometime it becomes an action, but then again, it may only be a wish of us enthusiasts.

any comments?

Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:32 PM
It would be cool. And it actually wouldn't be the first time, too! There's a coaster in Japan that runs one sit-down and one stand-up train on the same ride. Let me go look it up, and I'll post it.

Crito, ergo sum.

Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:33 PM
I remember someone saying something about a ride that like I think in Japan. It had a stand-up train, a sit-down train, and a backwards sit-down train. Im not sure though.
Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:42 PM

Yeah I have a pic of that ride in one of my books. It's a Togo ride with a similar layout to King Cobra. It has a stand up train and a backwards sit down train.

That would be very cool though!

Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:44 PM
It would be much cheaper and probable for them to have a sit down train added, but it would be weird and somewhat confusing to the guests, but it is cool. I highly doubt they'll do this.
Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:46 PM
That coaster is "Stand & Loop Coaster" at Yomiuriland. 82 feet tall, so I'm probably wrong about its similarity to KC.
Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:55 PM
Mantis should be changed to a sit-down coaster, it is the worst stand-up ive ever been on

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Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:03 PM

The real name of the ride is MOMOnGA -Loop Coaster MOMOnGa. Here's the link to the park's home site, and the page its on.


There are also some pics at http://www.lakesquare.com/rollercoaster/eng/park/yomi.html.

And for anyone who was a member of ACE in 1995, the Summer '95 issue of Roller Coaster has some pics too, on pg. 39.

Crito, ergo sum.

Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:42 PM

coasterdude04 said:

while i was at the park(27th and 28th of june)me and my friend were saying that there should be a floorless train on there, but at the same time, keep a stand-up.

Hmmm... A standup without a floor. Sounds good to me!

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*** This post was edited by du8die on 7/11/2002. ***

Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:44 PM
That would be awesome. (great advertising for CP too.) i would definently make the trip to expierience Mantis with a floorless train. (then they could add a stand-up train to raptor) ;-)
Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:57 PM
I think the only problem would be successfully communicating which train was which when it pulls into the station... the stand-up trains have no need for the floor, but still need to have the two "Unlock-Boxes”, as I call them (One for unlocking the harness, one for unlocking the vertical movement of the restraint device), that push up on the restraint lock. However, the floorless trains need the comb sections, which include the one "unlock-box" for the floorless OTSR's, one box to unlock each row, but only on the floor sections on the right side of the train. So how do you tell the ride computer which train is which, and still have the correct ride components come up with the appropriate train?

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Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:42 PM

Jes, I wouldn't imagine it would be too hard to do it. Mantis is on 2 train operation, so if one train isn't in the station, it's logical the other is out on the course.

The thing with Cedar Point, in my opinion, is arranging it so that you get the train you want. People may get pretty mad if they miss the ride on the floorless and are forced to ride the stand-up.

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Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:49 PM
Actually, B&M (Bolliger & Mabillard) is, from what I understand, working on a universal coasters, with three trains, 1 stand-up, 1 sitdown, and 1 floorless. I saw it on a website, and a magazine, but for the life of me I can't remember the name of either of them.

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Friday, July 12, 2002 4:42 AM
That would be awesome with the universal trains. I think it would be cool if on Dueling Dragons, there was an inverted train and a prone train. Probably impossible though.

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Friday, July 12, 2002 5:07 AM

MiLLeNNiUMRiDeR said:
"The thing with Cedar Point, in my opinion, is arranging it so that you get the train you want. People may get pretty mad if they miss the ride on the floorless and are forced to ride the stand-up.""

There would be a point in the line where you would go left for stand up or right for floorless.

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Friday, July 12, 2002 6:11 AM
Why not a train in which the first four rows are floorless and the last four rows are stand-up?

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Friday, July 12, 2002 6:20 AM

Of course, it may just be simpler to have two stations... either using the B&M switch track or a setup where there are two stations in a row, one for sitdown and one for standup. If you are using one station, I think it would be too difficult to have a standup and floorless.

Along what Mamoosh said, if you can do that you could alternate the rows, so that the front two rows have good visuals.

However, I have heard that because of the train design that you cannot have cobra rolls or zero-g rolls on standups. That might be a very good standup, but a mediocre floorless.

*** This post was edited by SFA rules on 7/12/2002. ***

Friday, July 12, 2002 6:24 AM
For the simple fact that the stand up and seated coasters are designed specifically with the riders position in mind. I cannot imagine that Kraken would be the near perfect ride that it is if you yanked out the floorless trains and installed standup trains. Remember, B&M does all their desigining around the so-called "heartline". Well the "heartline" in the seated position is drastically different than the "heartline" in the standing position. It would be extraordinarily difficult to engineer Talon like smoothness into both experiences sharing the same track.

So all of y'all that want to see seated trains on Stand up coasters, AINT GONNA HAPPEN!
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Friday, July 12, 2002 7:58 AM
SFA Rules - Draton Manor's stand-up coaster 7-Up Shockwave has a hearline spin...the only stand-up with one. Its an Intamin creation but I'm not sure if Mr B and Mr M, who were originally with Intamin, had any input into the design. Point is, a heatline is possible on a stand-up if a park wanted one.

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Friday, July 12, 2002 8:02 AM

I know about 7-Up Shockwave, but I have heard that the ride is very rough, like many other Intamin standups, and that the zero-g roll is not as effective. It is rumored that SFMM wanted a zero-g on Riddler but that B&M would not build it, so they ended up with two dive loops. It is all really just speculation. If there was a standup with a zero-g roll around here I would hop on in a second.


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