Six arrested at Valleyfair for allegedly assaulting father who defended his daughter

Bunky666 said "Obviously these men have something wrong with them that nothing is going to fix. "

I happen to believe that everything can be fixed. It might take a miracle, but it's better than giving up on them.

Bunky666 said, "Put 'em in prison and tie their hands to their ankles, cuz they deserve at LEAST some ruined buttholes."

If they can't be fixed, what's the point of this? Make us feel better? Give us some (twisted) sense of justice? Eye for an eye?*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 7/17/2008 3:34:03 PM ***

Here's a link to an update.

http://wcco.com/crime/valleyfair.assault.father.2.771963.html

Very sad. It sounds like the dad really got the crap beaten out of him. Orbital fracture, possible subdural hematoma. Sounds like a traumatic brain injury case. That's serious stuff. I haven't seen an update on his condition. I don't understand legal definitions but third degree assault charges do not seem serious enough for this kind of action. Makes me angry.

I don't understand how this could happen while people were filing out of the park at closing. How could this happen with so many people around? I hate to think that people just stood by and did nothing while this happened.

^ Probably because most people figured that 8 on 2 aren't much better odds than 8 on 1.
Probably because most people had no clue whether any of these scum were carrying weapons.
Probably because nobody knew whether these scum had 10 or 20 more homies around who would gang up on anyone who tried to help out the first victim.
Probably because most people realize it would take more than saying "hey stop that" to get these thugs to stop.

Seriously, how many people here would be willing to physically get involved in breaking up an attack like this outside a park?

I try not to speculate about what I would or wouldn't do in any given situation, because I really wouldn't know until I was faced with it.

But your points are well taken. I'm just sorry, but the idea that someone could get pummeled to this extent in the middle of a crowded area is just plain frightening to me on many levels.

As I stated before, I would have jumped in. The people I keep company with would have to. Not saying it's the smartest thing in the world to do but if people just stand and watch these thugs will continue to do these things. Very serious injuries were reported. One could make the argument of attempted murder. One must think, would an armed guest stepping in stop all this? Would we all be crying fould if someone shot one of them to stop this? We see the end result was a serious injury. If someone did shoot one of them the injuries may have not been so severe and we would all be saying well he didn't get hurt that bad that person didn't need to shoot them. Of course I don't think a park is any place for firearms but it makes a good argument for gun nuts.

Another update:

http://www.startribune.com/local/south/25472764.html?location_refer=Most%20Viewed:Homepage:8

Seems the victim is improving. More serious charges could be brought against suspects once more information is available and depending on extent of victim's injuries.

I was speaking from the fact that the father was seriously injured. He tries to stop men from harrassing his daughter and gets beat to the point where he has a traumatic brain injury and facial fractures. Do I believe these men should get the death penalty? NO. But I do think that if you can do something like this, if you can REACT like this to a man defending his daughter, you CAN'T be fixed. You've got something wrong with you that makes you think it is okay to beat people up and harrass young girls and just in general be a threat to society. Then, once in jail, yes it would make me feel better for these men to receive a legal punishment AND a punishment of prison love. I didn't mean that it should be a RULE that these guys get anally violated, but if it happens, I wouldn't shed a tear by any means.

I COULD be speaking from experience, as I almost lost a friend to a similar incident in my hometown, and it still creeps me out to know that his assailant is walking around free, unrehabilitated. That man was NOT capable of change. He was a creepy, violent felon all throughout high school, and not only did he only get probation, he continued to threaten and harrass my friend. Had he actually gone to jail, I think yes, he would have deserved pretty much any other punishment he got while in his cell. So, maybe I am transferring my thoughts on one particular case to another. However, it's what I think either way. Those men/boys/whatever deserve what they get.

I agree with you bunky. I would say maybe 2% of people who do something like this can be changed. Not only they committ a type of assault that has a sexual overtone to it, they do it to a 12 year old girl. Clue #1 they are scum. Then they beat down a man, 6 on 1. Real tough guys. Usualy when people gang jump someone it means they can't do it by themselves.

I'm getting sick of people who try to give all these text book reasons why people do things like this. It could just be that they are nasty people and always will be. I'm not saying throw everyone in prison who makes a mistake. But theres a difference between this and someone who steals something or committs a nonviolent offense. I can understand why some people do those things but I just refuse to listen to all these BS reasons why we should be more understanding or look for different ways to teach people they can't do these things. Lock them up. They can't hurt anyone else if they are in prison (at least general public). That is the only choice that keeps regular people safe.

http://www.mnsun.com/articles/2008/07/22/news/fw17valleyfair.txt

Looks like two of the suspects have previous criminal records. I'm not surprised.

Everyone seems to be avoiding the white elephant in the room............all of the accused are young black males. I have no idea what race the victim is and don't think it really matters. I do however think the fact that all six alleged attackers are young black males is significant. This country continues to refuse to acknowledge the social problems that result in a disproportionate number of violent young black men. Until that changes...........avoid conflict with groups of young black men, even if your pride and that of your loved ones is at stake.....it might save your life.