Filings show Kings Island ride will be a B&M hypercoaster

Well if they think turns are loops, then perhaps they think the plan view showing the path is the same as track length, which would not account for changes in elevation. Think about that.

Cat's out of the bag: http://www.daytondailynews.com/p/content/gen/sharedoh/photos_galleries/news/local/070908coaster.html

^^Exactly. Everyone needs to keep in mind that they got that number by scaling a plan view drawing. The 4,200' could just be a straight line dimension.

^Yeah, there's the splash down and the Behemoth seating style.*** This post was edited by Jason Hammond 7/9/2008 2:37:37 PM ***

Yeah I don't think 4,200 is the right track length.

When I saw the drawings for the Behemoth trains I was among the group thinking "WTF?" I had envisioned Deja Vu-like confusion during the loading process. Having visited Canada's Wonderland over the weekend I'm now a huge fan of the new train design. Here's why:

Each "pair" of seasts has its own queue row. The people in line who wanted a front-seat ride were waiting in queue row #1 (the front middle two seats). That left the queue row for the two outside front seats empty as everyone mistook it as a "normal" second row. Once we got into the station it was quite easy to score a front seat ride without waiting.

^I liked the front outside seats more than the inside seats, anyway. It is pretty crazy being on the edge of the cars and so far from your riding partner! Were they running three trains like crazy when you were there?

The outside seats are better...which makes the fact that most people are lining up for row #1 all the better! And yes, they were running three trains. The ride is a people-eater...with a nearly-full queue it was a 30-45 min wait.

"Since when is a 4200ft ride considered short? "

Lol, you got me. People call MF to short also and its only the longest steel roller coaster in the western hemishere. Speaking of MF, I wonder if it is the reason cedar fail decided upon a B&M. Maybe they did not want two intamins competing in the same state.

Yes, we can't have two Intamins competing in the same state. Last time that happened Geauga's shuttle lost the battle and was sent packing to Pennsylvania.

mOOSH (laughing at some of the ideas people come up with!)

With the supposed area running right between the Crypt, and the restaurant it seems like it would be in beast territory. If suppose it went to the left then it would be going that way if my directions are right.

The one thing I'm trying to get at is that although it may be small maybe it is short for a reason with not getting rid of what the beast is probably more famous for which is its course through the woods. However, do they own all that land that runs further back by the power lines and houses that you can see in the distance. Im not really familiar with what they have for land, but i always thought it would be a great idea to expand that way if they wanted to.

I thought Goliath at SFOG was a nice length, didn't seem too short, and was certainly a thrilling ride for height and speed. While I haven't ridden Behemoth, from what I see on POV vids the ride seems to lose energy and excitement in that last section after the block. (riders- am I wrong?) Led Zepplin, while not as long, seems to do the same thing. Anyway, if that's the kind of ride you get by adding length, I'll take a shorter but more active version any day. Hopefully it will have quite a bit of speed at the end to make the splashdown most effective.

I like the notion of a steeper lift hill taking some length off, too. The best part of SOB is the steep, steep lift. (ain't that sad!)

You never know, it might have loops. I have a feeling with CF behind it, it'll be a record breaking "est" coaster of some kind, anyway!

Now, Moosh. Maybe we shouldn't laugh too hard at GIGAFORCE01. There's not much duplication between the two parks as they stand today. (off hand, the Giant Frisbee, Scrambler, Monster, Wave Swinger and Troika come to mind) and CF might be smart to keep it that way. Especially with their coasters. It would encourage those of us in the area to continue to visit both parks instead of just one, right?

The path doesn't go anywhere even in the neighborhood of Beast. This appears to go directly south, while Beast goes more southeast. If you look at this picture from the air, it would appear that some of that terrain matches what they have drawn in on the submitted plans, which leads me to believe that, if designed right, the hills may bottom out below the average grade.

It could be the best ride Cedar Fair has ever installed. You never know. And hey, the track doesn't have to go very far from its fabrication point.

I'm a little sad that if the 4200' length is correct, it will be the shortest B&M hyper in the States and third shortest in the world....

But if the quality is good then I will be okay! In any case, it is about time Kings Island get a B&M!

If the coaster is non-stop air and laterals like Goliath at SFOG, you won't even know it's 4200ft.

And the steep lift hill like Goliath is pretty sweet just like the Dive coasters. You really feel like you are sitting in a La Z Boy recliner.

Let me spell it out... it's not 4,200 feet.

The 4,200 foot track length came from the reporter measuring the overhead blueprint. That doesn't work, unless the track is all flat. Doesn't account for the drastic elevation changes present in a hypercoaster.

What is the likelihood of a vertical lift like the one that opened at hershey in 2008?

I highly doubt it. I think we're looking at a steep lift, but no steeper than Behemoth or Goliath South.

Do you think they will use a cable or chain to lift the train up the first hill?

Chain.